https://www.androidauthority.com/how-android-sideloading-restrictions-may-work-3595355/ sep 2025 "Last week, Google dropped a bombshell: The company plans to verify the identity of all developers who distribute apps for Android, even those outside the Play Store. Starting next year, if a developer chooses not to verify their identity, Android will prevent their apps from being installed on certified devices (ie. devices with Google Mobile Services). This news sent shockwaves through the enthusiast community, with many criticizing Google for transforming Android into an iOS-like walled garden..." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_Mobile_Services "Google Mobile Services (GMS) is a collection of proprietary applications and application programming interfaces (APIs) services from Google that are typically pre-installed on the majority of Android devices, such as smartphones, tablets, and smart TVs. GMS is not a part of the Android Open Source Project (AOSP), which means an Android manufacturer needs to obtain a license from Google in order to legally pre-install GMS on an Android device..." https://www.android.com/gms/ so perhaps this doesn't include my kyocera duraxv? https://www.kyoceramobile.com/rugged-devices/duraxv-extreme-plus#1361858218 "...Operating System AOSP (Proprietary)..." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Android_(operating_system) "...At its core, the operating system is known as the Android Open Source Project (AOSP)[5] and is free and open-source software (FOSS) primarily licensed under the Apache License...." https://source.android.com/ ...i seem to remember i was looking into sideloading apps on my flip kinda recently. right here is the post(it was in blog not miniblog): https://trygve.neocities.org/blog/2025-04apr-20-flip-phone right, i installed fdroid only to find i still needed to install a mouse app. https://www.apkmirror.com/ https://forum.f-droid.org/t/apps-for-flip-phones-and-feature-phones/16719 https://f-droid.org/ https://www.apps4flip.com/ https://github.com/virresh/matvt https://github.com/virresh/matvt/releases i think i am going to do this, maybe, but not tonight. i also think i should rinish reading up on googles big plan for botching android before i put any more effort into learning a device that might get kneecapped very soon. "...Fortunately, there might be a silver lining. On a FAQ page, Google says that you’ll be “free to install apps without verification with ADB.”.. ...We hope that Google keeps its word and preserves ADB installation..." well that is sort of optimistic, though perhaps annoying. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Android_Debug_Bridge "The Android Debug Bridge (commonly abbreviated as adb) is a programming tool used for the debugging of Android-based devices..." https://developer.android.com/tools/adb also: https://www.androidauthority.com/google-not-killing-aosp-3566882/ june 2025 "...The more significant issue, however, is the impact this decision will have on developers who build custom ROMs — the community term for hobbyist forks of AOSP... ...Previously, Google made it simple for developers to build AOSP for Pixel devices, but that support is now gone..." i guess the big takeaway here is that it looks like google is cancelling the pixel(i never owned one)? i should probably also include this while i'm on the subject: https://hackaday.com/2025/10/06/google-confirms-non-adb-apk-installs-will-require-developer-registration/ short article, learned nothing new. i guess i need to read up more on adb back to https://developer.android.com/tools/adb """ Android Debug Bridge (adb) is a versatile command-line tool that lets you communicate with a device. The adb command facilitates a variety of device actions, such as installing and debugging apps. adb provides access to a Unix shell that you can use to run a variety of commands on a device. It is a client-server program that includes three components: A client, which sends commands. The client runs on your development machine. You can invoke a client from a command-line terminal by issuing an adb command. A daemon (adbd), which runs commands on a device. The daemon runs as a background process on each device. A server, which manages communication between the client and the daemon. The server runs as a background process on your development machine. """ so the way this sort of stuff seems to go these days, i expect i would have to buy a new computer specially for running adb. this is definitely sounding like shit now. looks like i need to install android studio to get adb: https://developer.android.com/studio/install must run on windows 10 or macos 12. ...Gnome, KDE, or Unity DE... i don't use those https://www.androidauthority.com/how-android-sideloading-restrictions-may-work-3595355/ sep 2025 "Last week, Google dropped a bombshell: The company plans to verify the identity of all developers who distribute apps for Android, even those outside the Play Store. Starting next year, if a developer chooses not to verify their identity, Android will prevent their apps from being installed on certified devices (ie. devices with Google Mobile Services). This news sent shockwaves through the enthusiast community, with many criticizing Google for transforming Android into an iOS-like walled garden..." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_Mobile_Services "Google Mobile Services (GMS) is a collection of proprietary applications and application programming interfaces (APIs) services from Google that are typically pre-installed on the majority of Android devices, such as smartphones, tablets, and smart TVs. GMS is not a part of the Android Open Source Project (AOSP), which means an Android manufacturer needs to obtain a license from Google in order to legally pre-install GMS on an Android device..." https://www.android.com/gms/ so perhaps this doesn't include my kyocera duraxv? https://www.kyoceramobile.com/rugged-devices/duraxv-extreme-plus#1361858218 "...Operating System AOSP (Proprietary)..." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Android_(operating_system) "...At its core, the operating system is known as the Android Open Source Project (AOSP)[5] and is free and open-source software (FOSS) primarily licensed under the Apache License...." https://source.android.com/ ...i seem to remember i was looking into sideloading apps on my flip kinda recently. right here is the post(it was in blog not miniblog): https://trygve.neocities.org/blog/2025-04apr-20-flip-phone right, i installed fdroid only to find i still needed to install a mouse app. https://www.apkmirror.com/ https://forum.f-droid.org/t/apps-for-flip-phones-and-feature-phones/16719 https://f-droid.org/ https://www.apps4flip.com/ https://github.com/virresh/matvt https://github.com/virresh/matvt/releases i think i am going to do this, maybe, but not tonight. i also think i should rinish reading up on googles big plan for botching android before i put any more effort into learning a device that might get kneecapped very soon. "...Fortunately, there might be a silver lining. On a FAQ page, Google says that you’ll be “free to install apps without verification with ADB.”.. ...We hope that Google keeps its word and preserves ADB installation..." well that is sort of optimistic, though perhaps annoying. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Android_Debug_Bridge "The Android Debug Bridge (commonly abbreviated as adb) is a programming tool used for the debugging of Android-based devices..." https://developer.android.com/tools/adb also: https://www.androidauthority.com/google-not-killing-aosp-3566882/ june 2025 "...The more significant issue, however, is the impact this decision will have on developers who build custom ROMs — the community term for hobbyist forks of AOSP... ...Previously, Google made it simple for developers to build AOSP for Pixel devices, but that support is now gone..." i guess the big takeaway is thatit looks like google is cancelling the pixel(i never owned one). i should probably also include this while i'm on the subject: https://hackaday.com/2025/10/06/google-confirms-non-adb-apk-installs-will-require-developer-registration/ short article, learned nothing new. i guess i need to read up more on adb back to https://developer.android.com/tools/adb """ Android Debug Bridge (adb) is a versatile command-line tool that lets you communicate with a device. The adb command facilitates a variety of device actions, such as installing and debugging apps. adb provides access to a Unix shell that you can use to run a variety of commands on a device. It is a client-server program that includes three components: A client, which sends commands. The client runs on your development machine. You can invoke a client from a command-line terminal by issuing an adb command. A daemon (adbd), which runs commands on a device. The daemon runs as a background process on each device. A server, which manages communication between the client and the daemon. The server runs as a background process on your development machine. """ so the way this sort of stuff seems to go these days, i expect i would have to buy a new computer specially for running adb. this is definitely sounding like shit now. looks like i need to install android studio to get adb: https://developer.android.com/studio/install must run on windows 10 or macos 12. linux requires Gnome, KDE, or Unity DE - i don't use those, not to mention my glibc is probably out of date. it looks like i was spot on(it's shit). i don't expect i will ever write an android app. becaues i am never installing android studio. so i guess the question remains, can i install aps on my flipphone. I've got this far, perhaps i should finish the job. then again, i prefer not to waste my time on something if it's gonna get cancelled soon. As far as i understand, from reading the above, it should not affect my current phone soon, however this doesn't add appeal for me to the android ecosystem on the whole. on a side note, i realized verizon's call-filter will not help me with my text spam problem, and i was hoping to find some sort of 3rd party spam filter. it is shocking what poor service you get these days from The Big Tech brands!