I was thinking that i have been on this platform for a little while now, and i'm not really sure who is the guy who runs this whole place? what is he all about? here are some notes + links i compiled. -------------------------------------------------- so let's start from the source(kyle himself): https://kyledrake.com/ https://neocities.org/ https://restorativland.org/ https://github.com/kyledrake perhaps worth checking out more: https://elementcss.neocities.org/ https://neocities.org/site/kyledrake/follows -------------------------------------------------- https://neo-neighborhoods.neocities.org/geocities/BHI/staff (check nav for other staff members) active: https://neocities.org/site/neo-neighborhoods https://neo-neighborhoods.neocities.org/ (this is a pretty good site!) -------------------------------------------------- 2022 https://www.reddit.com/r/neocities/comments/w036mv/neocities_is_run_entirely_by_kyle_drake/ "It kind of looks like Kyle Drake is the only person maintaining Neocities..." [[[ 2018 https://web.archive.org/web/20180410203840/https://retroity.net/blog/the-neocities-problem/ ]]] -------------------------------------------------- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neocities interesting to note there is no page for Kyle -------------------------------------------------- January 15, 2020 https://www.softwaresessions.com/episodes/bringing-geocities-back-with-kyle-drake/ Bringing GeoCities Back with Kyle Drake(podcast+transcript) nice interview! very recommended! I probably need to read up more on BGP to learn argument for switching to IPv6. look into anycast note fastly ~== cloudflare wiki links: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Border_Gateway_Protocol https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anycast https://www.vultr.com/ -------------------------------------------------- https://goss343.neocities.org/history -------------------------------------------------- October 15, 2024 Topic: Thoughts on Kyle Drake's stance on AI (Read 1385 times) https://forum.melonland.net/index.php?topic=3451.0 """ Welp, Kyle Drake, the creator of Neocities, made a blog post in defense of AI/machine learning. I suggest reading the full post of course, but he basically says we should embrace AI, including the use of AI "art" and using AI for therapy. While AI/ML has its uses (ex: the cancer screening tool he mentions in the post), stuff like Midjourney and therapy chat bots are just crossing the line in my opinion. I know that some people are migrating to Nekoweb as a result of this post, which I am considering partially because of the post, but mostly because I found out they have anti AI/ML scraping measures in place, but due to the scope of one my websites, that will not be for awhile. Besides, Kyle is not getting any of my money so I don't feel too bad about staying at this moment. This situation sucks, but I don't feel like it's worth moving literally thousands of images over to a new host and getting everyone to change their links to my new host. What do y'all think about all of this? EDIT: I posted this like 1 beat before the forum closed and since then I found out that 1. That blog post was over a year old! Sorry for unintentionally misleading everyone :drat: 2. Nekoweb rocks actually, I switched mostly because of the features they have (I can upload BMP files!! The file editor is a dream to use!!!). Even if this whole situation hadn't come out, I would've switched anyway the moment I found out about NW's features. 3. I found out I could just download my entire site and NW has an upload zip file button for porting sites. Only took 2 clicks! """ [[[ (Jun 2, 2023) https://kyledrake.com/writings/ai ]]] -------------------------------------------------- https://www.crunchbase.com/person/kyle-drake tells me firefox is out of date, and crashes pale moon(looks like cloudflare made and update) https://www.notion.so/Bringing-GeoCities-Back-with-Kyle-Drake-2c60a50a365c4a2883126fb6cefdee73?pvs=21 my firefox is not compatible with notion, and neither is pale moon. (https://www.notion.so/unsupported-browser.html) i had to refresh on url encoding to double check this. (https://www.w3schools.com/tags/ref_urlencode.ASP) -------------------------------------------------- 10/11/2017 Talking Neocities with Founder Kyle Drake: How a Blank-Canvas, Static Hosting Approach Empowers Site Owners to Showcase Their Creativity Online https://www.hostingadvice.com/blog/neocities-empowers-site-owners-to-showcase-their-creativity-online/ "...“I don’t necessarily miss bad web design, but I was interested in people putting together really useful information portals and some very creative sites,” Kyle said. “People had a very personal perspective on things in a very substantial way.”... ...“The web has taken a lot of that creativity and sort of replaced it with a blogging engine,” Kyle said. “As a result, people have less of an ability to express themselves, and many are starting to feel disenfranchised with the internet.”... ...“These blogging engines just let you post a couple of sentences here and there,” Kyle said. “We have a lot of these centralized services, such as Facebook, that are sort of eating our time and are harder to do something meaningful with.”... ...“I grew up with the notion that the internet was going to be this great institution of knowledge and learning, liquefying information in a way that everyone would have access to it, and everyone could express themselves,” he said. “I launched Neocities as part of my frustration with compartmentalizing people on the modern web. Luckily, it went super viral.”... ...“I realize one of the reasons things went wrong was because there are less people creating sites these days,” Kyle said. “One good thing about the old web was the ability to take HTML and write whatever you want. It forced you to think about design.”... ...“One of the biggest trends we’re seeing now is the web moving from this decentralized model to a more hyper-centralized model where a few very big players have most of the control over the traffic,” Kyle said. “One of the things I want to preserve is the concept of data autonomy.”... ...“We see a shift from people running their own sites and services to running them on highly centralized platforms. Recently, Amazon S3 went down and took a lot of the internet with it,” Kyle said. “Back when one small player shut down, it wasn’t likely to break the internet as we know it.”... ...“One of the interesting things I’ve been working on in relation to Neocities is this thing called IPFS, a new protocol for the distributed web,” Kyle said. “The idea is to create a network in such a way that it uses content addressing to look for information.”..." -------------------------------------------------- https://www.oreilly.com/people/kyle-drake/ (¿date?) "Kyle Drake is a tech entrepreneur working to bring back the lost art of amateur personal websites with Neocities. When not working on Neocities, Kyle helps to build the open source communities, including early work on BitcoinJS, Portland hackerspaces, and providing early advice and support to startups. Some of Kyle’s varied interests include software architecture, simplicity, API design, economics, improved startup business models, tech sustainability, and weird ways to look at old problems." -------------------------------------------------- Apr 4, 2016 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sW4BTQFYKxA [FutureTalks] "The Completely Distributed Web" by Kyle Drake short history of cryptography(PGP, the NSA, copyright law), Hong Kong scene, pub-key-crypto intro, distributed Hash-tables(DHTs: Gnutella, torrent magnets), IPFS, zeronet, namecoin, crypto, cjdns, tor, OpenNIC(alt DNS), namecoin spam problem, bitmessage, cjdns(p2p, IPv6, OpenWRT, mesh-networks)... note: intriguing application for cjdns and openwrt in mesh networking near end. https://github.com/cjdelisle/cjdns https://prism-break.org/io/projects/cjdns/ https://www.reddit.com/r/darknetplan/comments/8ey0cz/what_is_cjdns_and_how_does_it_work/ comments: " CJDNS will NOT protect against censorship. It piggybacks on existing corporate owned internet, and can be filtered or blocked by the ISP. Real freedom comes from a distributed, adhoc network infrastructure, but this sub has eschewed that in favor of perceived privacy and anonymity. " -------------------------------------------------- joke sites: https://dylekrake.neocities.org/ https://realkyledrake.neocities.org/ -------------------------------------------------- ...interesting: https://fragmentandreflect.neocities.org/ "It's been building up for a while and I'm now at the point that I just don't feel good about being on Neocities anymore. I understand the principles that founder Kyle Drake is wanting to adhere to, though unfortunately, on the ground, I don't feel that "when thought is free, the best ideas win", as he was once quoted as saying. There are far too many misogynistic incel sites, racist right wing sites, Russian trolls and even outright Nazis on here..." ...there seem to be a lot of accusations here which i can't seem to find any supporting evidence for with a quick search. what is this guy's deal? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Streisand_effect "...anarchistic and autistic... ...Autistici..." i guess you learn something every day activity: https://neocities.org/site/fragmentandreflect -------------------------------------------------- 2024 https://midnightsolarium.neocities.org/weblog_posts/nekoai "...Kyle Drake doesn’t understand the criticism against AI... ...I consider AI to be a pest within tech services... ...I’ve gotta give Kyle credit though: he and I both agree that the term “AI” sucks. I find that its vagueness makes discussions needlessly difficult. You criticize AI for its role in labour displacement, its environmental impact, or its general lack of transparency, and AI bros will call you a progress-hating Luddite who’s afraid of spellcheck and predictive analytics..." [[[ https://economics.mit.edu/sites/default/files/publications/Automation%20and%20New%20Tasks%20-%20How%20Technology%20Displace.pdf ]]] [[[ https://web.archive.org/web/20241123025828/https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/a-computer-scientist-breaks-down-generative-ais-hefty-carbon-footprint/ ]]] [[[ https://jolt.law.harvard.edu/assets/articlePDFs/v31/The-Artificial-Intelligence-Black-Box-and-the-Failure-of-Intent-and-Causation-Yavar-Bathaee.pdf ]]] "...maybe I’m a hypocrite, because my loyalty can be bought and sold... ...so midnight solarium is moving to nekoweb within the next few months..." -------------------------------------------------- https://moondvsted.neocities.org/ "...i'm moving to nekoweb, which blocks AI scrapers..." -------------------------------------------------- https://ai-petition.neocities.org/ "...The counter was last updated 11:13PM PT 1/18/2025... ...Kyle Drake on Bluesky 1/17/2025 It's interesting to think of the CO2 cost (assuming conventional electricity sources?) to train GPT4 as "200 flights from New York to San Francisco", which happens every 2 days. andymasley.substack.com/p/individual-ai-use-is-not-bad-for. It's dawning on me from reading this that a lot of people maybe don't realize how incredibly energy efficient (non-PoW-crypto) computing is in general. In December I handled 1.4 billion site hits with the total combined power of a microwave. I think a single car has that beat on climate impact..." [[[https://andymasley.substack.com/p/individual-ai-use-is-not-bad-for (interesting site. it's too bad the formatting is screwed up on firefox)]]] "...Neocities on Bluesky 1/21/2025 4:41am Wanted to talk about Neocities' approach to AI. First, some new positions going forward: - We will never make you use AI if you don't want to - We will help you stop AI crawlers if you want to - We won't use false positive heavy AI blockers - We won't be "anti-AI" either and ban sites for using it Starting this month, all new Neocities sites now come with a robots.txt. robots.txt is the file that controls how bots access your site. The newly provided robots.txt contains a commented out list of known AI crawlers that you can uncomment if you would like to opt out of AI crawling..." do i need to sign up for bluesky? it seems like these anouncements should be made somewhere on neocities. ...wait, i'm confused; is Penelope(https://neo-neighborhoods.neocities.org/geocities/BHI/staff_site) an AI? -------------------------------------------------- 2014 and older podcast episodes(bitcoin + neocities) https://soundcloud.com/kyle-drake it sounds like kyle was very into BTC 12 years ago. it would be interesting to find out if his opinions on the subject have changed at all over the years? -------------------------------------------------- https://thewikion.neocities.org/wiki/tipping_on_neocities 4 years since last update: https://neocities.org/site/thewikion https://neocities.org/browse?sort_by=tipping_enabled -------------------------------------------------- https://3rdidt.neocities.org/history 7 years since last update: https://neocities.org/site/3rdidt -------------------------------------------------- https://nekoweb.org/ https://nekoweb.org/credits who are these people? -------------------------------------------------- 2017 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-i6wvix6buI High Volume, Bandwidth Heavy Infrastructure On The Cheap - Kyle Drake notes: egress(for cloud hosting) is overpriced, funky pricing schemes(this was my assessment too back in 2017), DMCA and woes of running a CDN, cloudflare handles 15% of web traffic(this is 2017), Net-Neutrality vs Google+ISPs(Comcast), google embraces drm, tim berners-lee embraces drm, VPS, Anycast, BGP, distributed web, filecoin, ipfs -------------------------------------------------- crypto crypot -------------------------------------------------- do not include: https://mrdoob.neocities.org/033/ -------------------------------------------------- i think i found this after reading someone's critique of Kyle's stance on AI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DGjj7wDYaiI I Live 400 Yards From Mark Zuckerberg’s Massive Data Center near Atlanta GA """ 1 chat gpt request uses 30x power(KWh) as a simple google search """ https://e360.yale.edu/features/artificial-intelligence-climate-energy-emissions As Use of A.I. Soars, So Does the Energy and Water It Requires https://oecd.ai/en/wonk/how-much-water-does-ai-consume How much water does AI consume? The public deserves to know ...so how much? i guess i didn't find the answer? i'm pretty sure i've already heard about data centers(and human beings in general) drying up the colorado river from a few years ago. -------------------------------------------------- not really sure if kyle has said anything about quantum. i don't know how these articles got in this note. i'm putting them at the bottom https://phys.org/news/2025-04-quantum-outperforms-supercomputers-approximate-optimization.html https://www.wired.com/story/quantum-speedup-found-for-huge-class-of-hard-problems/ D-Wave Advantage2 decoded quantum interferometry -------------------------------------------------- i think i'll just post this as is. i'll try and work on beautifying my pages some day soon. --------------------------------------------------